Can I buy the new chapter without the rest?

Liukke · June 9

Hello,

if I understood it correctly, this new "content pass" includes EVERYTHING, story and areas, as well as dungeons.

Does that mean that my ESO+ becomes a glorified bag and storage subscription? Since I'd be forced to buy the DLCs as a package with the rest.

It feels odd, and kinda stupid

Ilsabet · June 9

The season pass is sort of like chapters where you have to pay out of pocket for the content that isn't covered by ESO+, presuming you're not willing to wait a year for it to be added to ESO+.

The main difference with the season pass is that it also includes dungeons that are also covered by ESO+. So you're kinda paying twice for that content, but if you want the new zone and quests, you have to pay the out of pocket cost regardless.

Liukke · June 9

Ilsabet wrote: »

The season pass is sort of like chapters where you have to pay out of pocket for the content that isn't covered by ESO+, presuming you're not willing to wait a year for it to be added to ESO+.

The main difference with the season pass is that it also includes dungeons that are also covered by ESO+. So you're kinda paying twice for that content, but if you want the new zone and quests, you have to pay the out of pocket cost regardless.

Which is exactly what makes it stupid

sad

EDIT:

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally fine to pay.
I happily buy chapters and have the subscription as both a convenience and a way to show support to the developers.

I just feel like an idiot paying twice for something, until now it was just so efficient to buy chapters and have a sub, no money was wasted...now we're in this season crap style

yay

Soarora · June 10

You’re still using eso+ to gain access to all the other things you don’t own. The dungeons getting bundled isn’t much different than buying a chapter only for it to be included in eso+ later. Thing is, with all the dlcs in the game (theres about 26 dlc dungeons!), ESO+ traps you since you don’t own the content no matter how long you played for. At least with this, if you ever drop eso+ for whatever reason you don’t have to buy these dlcs.

BahometZ · June 10

Zenimax have said they are looking into ways to add value to eso+ moving forward, due to the reduction in value. Which makes you wonder why they didn't think of them before implementing this new system.

Liukke · June 10

Soarora wrote: »

You’re still using eso+ to gain access to all the other things you don’t own. The dungeons getting bundled isn’t much different than buying a chapter only for it to be included in eso+ later. Thing is, with all the dlcs in the game (theres about 26 dlc dungeons!), ESO+ traps you since you don’t own the content no matter how long you played for. At least with this, if you ever drop eso+ for whatever reason you don’t have to buy these dlcs.

I honestly don't care, they just took out the choice of having all content paid once. The "what if" scenario of not having ESO+ is not my concern, I bought the DLCs that I deemed necessary with the crowns I get from the ESO+ and played them on those times where I had no sub, what happens now is just that I'll be paying TWICE for some content, which is the definition of stupid. Either that or I play stuff one year delayed, what an offer.

BahometZ wrote: »

Zenimax have said they are looking into ways to add value to eso+ moving forward, due to the reduction in value. Which makes you wonder why they didn't think of them before implementing this new system.

Seems to be a recurring thing, just like why didn't the think the Golden Pursuit goal of doing 5 weekly endeavours was impossible...hurray!

SeaGtGruff · June 10

Ilsabet wrote: »

The main difference with the season pass is that it also includes dungeons that are also covered by ESO+. So you're kinda paying twice for that content,

It remains to be seen what future seasons will be like, but it's my understanding that this year's content isn't typical as far as how the new dungeons were handled, due to this being a transitional year.

In other words, we have no way to confidently predict whether future dungeons will be "free" for ESO Plus subscribers, or if they will need to be purchased as part of a content pass.

Eternity_Was · June 14

I feel like this is a dangerous way of thinking and it kind of puts the developers in a worse light than reality.

The way I see it is: each chapter (or season) is paying for the content a year early. I’ve bought into how it’s “weird” to keep repurchasing each chapter year over year, but then the alternative is they just stop including summerset, greymoor, etc and only sell the new content like world of Warcraft used to.

Instead of “paying for content we already own” we are just having all of the rest included with the new chapter. Most players I think would buy eso+. If you buy any crowns at all, it’s worth getting that eso+ as it’s almost a 1:1 cost with the crowns that are included.

Again, my mindset is that I’m paying the $130/yr or whatever of eso+ for the crowns and I get the craft bag, and dlc included.

Regardless of how you slice it up, I think I’d prefer getting all the chapters included if I’m paying $60 for the new chapter. Now if their financial department decided the new content was worth $40, then yeah.. if I already own the old stuff or am a eso+ subscriber.. I’d like to pay the $40 upgrade. But I feel like the reality is… if they stop including all of the other content we get elsewhere it’s still going to be the same price and so I’d rather get the “free” stuff I’ve already got access to for more options down the road.

That’s just my two cents. I’m fine getting the content through redundancy because it gives players different ways of getting at least some of the same content.. and more flexibility is always cool in my opinion.

Liukke · June 14

Eternity_Was wrote: »

I feel like this is a dangerous way of thinking and it kind of puts the developers in a worse light than reality.

The way I see it is: each chapter (or season) is paying for the content a year early. I’ve bought into how it’s “weird” to keep repurchasing each chapter year over year, but then the alternative is they just stop including summerset, greymoor, etc and only sell the new content like world of Warcraft used to.

Instead of “paying for content we already own” we are just having all of the rest included with the new chapter. Most players I think would buy eso+. If you buy any crowns at all, it’s worth getting that eso+ as it’s almost a 1:1 cost with the crowns that are included.

Again, my mindset is that I’m paying the $130/yr or whatever of eso+ for the crowns and I get the craft bag, and dlc included.

Regardless of how you slice it up, I think I’d prefer getting all the chapters included if I’m paying $60 for the new chapter. Now if their financial department decided the new content was worth $40, then yeah.. if I already own the old stuff or am a eso+ subscriber.. I’d like to pay the $40 upgrade. But I feel like the reality is… if they stop including all of the other content we get elsewhere it’s still going to be the same price and so I’d rather get the “free” stuff I’ve already got access to for more options down the road.

That’s just my two cents. I’m fine getting the content through redundancy because it gives players different ways of getting at least some of the same content.. and more flexibility is always cool in my opinion.

This literally makes no sense...where's the flexibility?

Before you could decide what to buy:
- you want only the new chapter? It's there
- you want all chapters until now? the collection edition is there
- you want single DLCs? crown store
- you wanted all DLCs? subscription
- you wanted extra collectibles? deluxe/former collector's edition

Now it's just either a single all-in-one, chapter, DLCs, useless immersion breaking emotes, and the sub is there, doing nothing useful anymore other than serving as backpack for the forced bloat materials.

I'm not putting the developers in any bad light, any adult knows that this is a publisher's issue, this is ass marketing at its finest, removing any chance to buy what you want and forcing to go all in in big purchases and redundant subscriptions.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

The main difference with the season pass is that it also includes dungeons that are also covered by ESO+. So you're kinda paying twice for that content,

It remains to be seen what future seasons will be like, but it's my understanding that this year's content isn't typical as far as how the new dungeons were handled, due to this being a transitional year.

In other words, we have no way to confidently predict whether future dungeons will be "free" for ESO Plus subscribers, or if they will need to be purchased as part of a content pass.

And sorry, I understand that this year isn't typical, but they had all the time to plan this crap.
So, the new chapter isn't typical but the sub stays the same...how unfortunate that we need to pay for already purchased stuff...if they only had known...oh wait, it's extra money for them.

Eternity_Was · June 15

I had to google to see other people complaining to figure out what you mean by “EVERYTHING”, because obviously the content pass doesn’t include everything.

Regardless, it seems like you’re maybe just trying to find something to be upset about as ESO+ is still completely valid and much more than you try to chalk it up to. At the very least you are getting a ton of crowns. That alone is value the content pass doesn’t give you. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I doubt the content pass gives you access to every previous dlc zone as well. I’m not aware of all the changes everyone is eluding to as I’m assumed the “content pass” was simply a rebranded “chapter”. ESO+ still grants increased server space (craft bag, bank, housing furnishing limits, etc), crowns, discounts on crown store items, previous dlc content, and so on. It’s hardly obsolete as you’re trying to make it seem. The crowns alone are enough reason to buy eso+ for me. Plus just as before, eso+ will grant the new content in one years time just as it always has, so people can choose to get early access by paying more or waiting a year

Liukke · June 15

Eternity_Was wrote: »

I had to google to see other people complaining to figure out what you mean by “EVERYTHING”, because obviously the content pass doesn’t include everything.

Regardless, it seems like you’re maybe just trying to find something to be upset about as ESO+ is still completely valid and much more than you try to chalk it up to. At the very least you are getting a ton of crowns. That alone is value the content pass doesn’t give you. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I doubt the content pass gives you access to every previous dlc zone as well. I’m not aware of all the changes everyone is eluding to as I’m assumed the “content pass” was simply a rebranded “chapter”. ESO+ still grants increased server space (craft bag, bank, housing furnishing limits, etc), crowns, discounts on crown store items, previous dlc content, and so on. It’s hardly obsolete as you’re trying to make it seem. The crowns alone are enough reason to buy eso+ for me. Plus just as before, eso+ will grant the new content in one years time just as it always has, so people can choose to get early access by paying more or waiting a year

Almost all that you say is true.
To me ESO+ is a cool feature, gives tons of bonuses for a small price.
I'm just frustrated by this dumb corporation move where they just removed the possibility of buying exactly what you want forcing you to double pay same content.

The new "content" system will include also DLCs, you can also get a premium version which includes previous chapters (no DLCs I assume).

So for now you just have 2 options, either all upcoming at once, or all at once + previous chapters, you can't ditch the DLCs anymore and the price for the upcoming season only is basically the price for the previous collection edition which included all chapters :'D

You can't upgrade anymore...I used to buy high isle collection edition for 50$ (around the same in €), which included the new chapter, and all that stuff, then gold road raised to 60$, now the same costs 80$ and you're forced to eat up DLCs that are already included in the sub.

It's either buy all at higher price or play a year later, doesn't sound cool...